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Tuesday, September 15, 2009 Re-appraisals: Upon Which Our Heroes Get Excited And Then Rapidly Disappointed By Ill Communication  In our fourth attempt at revisiting our musical pasts, Jayson and I chose the Beastie Boys' Ill Communication, and were quickly reminded how absence can make the heart grow fonder... and an unexpected return can remind the heart why relations were lost. This is insanely long, so don't read unless you are bored or think you really love(d) mid 90s Beastie Boys. -------------- jaychampvinyl: I'm ready styrofoamfuror: GO styrofoamfuror: i have not listened to this in so long styrofoamfuror: and the last time i did in earnest, i knew so so little about rap music jaychampvinyl: I am liking this so much already jaychampvinyl: last time I heard this, the things I knew about rap were via osmosis jaychampvinyl: 1) Public Enemy are cool jaychampvinyl: 2) Skee Lo has a great song styrofoamfuror: i knew all about "gangsta rap" styrofoamfuror: and the Cypress Hill/House of Pain crew jaychampvinyl: right jaychampvinyl: I guess I did too jaychampvinyl: but I didn't care for it styrofoamfuror: by college i knew about groups like Tribe and Black Star and Dilated Peoples and J5 styrofoamfuror: but what i still knew nothing about was New York hiphop and "classic hiphop" jaychampvinyl: right styrofoamfuror: (some of which overlappped) jaychampvinyl: by college, I had figured out some Wu Tang, Jay Z's REasonable Doubt, and Nas's Illmatifc jaychampvinyl: tho I didn't spend tons of time with any of it jaychampvinyl: I had the first Wu Tang record, I had supreme clientele jaychampvinyl: and those two records jaychampvinyl: others: Lauryn Hill, The Roots THings Fall Apart, Black Star jaychampvinyl: Eminem's Marshal Mathers LP jaychampvinyl: and this and Paul's Boutique jaychampvinyl: probbbbbbably about it jaychampvinyl: oof, "Tough Guy"--this fake Bad Brains shit has aged terribly jaychampvinyl: and wasn't ever really even good, actually jaychampvinyl: just kinda meant to signify that this was also something that you needed to like if you were going to get down with the new multiculti handbook jaychampvinyl: so they kinda served as DJs styrofoamfuror: i remmeber that Tough Guy and Heart Attack man never sat well with me styrofoamfuror: B-Boys Makin with the Freak Freak sounds like mid 90s Beck styrofoamfuror: a lot styrofoamfuror: or perhaps vice versa jaychampvinyl: yes jaychampvinyl: not sure which way that goes either styrofoamfuror: though i have repeated the line, "If i knew it was gonna be this kind of party...." styrofoamfuror: sooooooo many times jaychampvinyl: It actually just sounds like a complete retread of "So Whatcha Want" jaychampvinyl: kinda interesting, tho: this still sounds "cool!" styrofoamfuror: i think i forgot that by this point especially they were frequently using effects on their voices styrofoamfuror: to compensate for the fact that they were three reedy sounding white dudes jaychampvinyl: I was kinda expecting for this to be cringeworthy jaychampvinyl: in a way jaychampvinyl: the production, in particular, I was thinking would sound terrible styrofoamfuror: i suspect it is much less cringeworthy than Check Yr Head would sound now jaychampvinyl: yes! jaychampvinyl: seconded styrofoamfuror: i remember 10 years ago being sorta alone in preferring Ill Communication over that record (whatever nonsense that means) jaychampvinyl: yeah, me too jaychampvinyl: John told me that Ill Communication was just a poppier version of Check Your Head styrofoamfuror: it's also more of an actual rap album styrofoamfuror: Check Yr Head is more a not great rock/funk album styrofoamfuror: Root Down still sounds great styrofoamfuror: god the samples they used were so fucking tasteful jaychampvinyl: I know!!!!! jaychampvinyl: this record is fucking great jaychampvinyl: GREAT styrofoamfuror: back then i sort of didn't understand sampling and just figured they made everything styrofoamfuror: i'd never heard ANY of these samples jaychampvinyl: oh man, same here jaychampvinyl: maybe not as much here, because they talked so much about finding old funk records jaychampvinyl: but I NO IDEA that gangsta rappers used samples jaychampvinyl: I had no inkling that Dre records, or Biggie records, or anything where you couldn't hear the actual record scratching, were samples of older songs styrofoamfuror: now i know that so much of these comes from awesome 70s jazz records styrofoamfuror: and funk records styrofoamfuror: and fucking Sabotage styrofoamfuror: I can remember the very moment i first heard this song jaychampvinyl: this still sounds like slow-motion walking bands of roving badasses entering your town with spiked bats jaychampvinyl: but please share your sabotage story styrofoamfuror: i had just gotten to germany for a three week visit styrofoamfuror: July 1994 styrofoamfuror: i was excited but bummed about misssing little league all-stars jaychampvinyl: haha, a good way to begin any story styrofoamfuror: I was sick and staying at my aunt's house watching german MTV all day styrofoamfuror: i remember one day seeing the All-4-One song "I Swear" SEVEN times jaychampvinyl: YES styrofoamfuror: four times on MTV styrofoamfuror: and three times on the german channel styrofoamfuror: sabotage sounded like literally the coolest thing i'd ever heard styrofoamfuror: evre jaychampvinyl: it still kind of does!!!! jaychampvinyl: jesus, this song is actually giving me chills jaychampvinyl: IT'S SO FUCKING AWESOM E jaychampvinyl: GAHHHstyrofoamfuror: i spent the entirety of my trip looking forward to coming home and buying the record jaychampvinyl: haha jaychampvinyl: oh man, this Q-Tip song [Get it Together] styrofoamfuror: yeah dude jaychampvinyl: this is sorta the record where they became actual hip hop royalty styrofoamfuror: i had no idea who he was jaychampvinyl: I had heard him SO much in my bro's car styrofoamfuror: "Black dude on Beastie Boys record not biz markie?: jaychampvinyl: hahahaha jaychampvinyl: yes styrofoamfuror: the production on this track is fucking great too styrofoamfuror: the way they work a q-tip sample into the chorus styrofoamfuror: he even references biz markies jaychampvinyl: yes! styrofoamfuror: so i thouhgt maybe it was biz markie jaychampvinyl: this beat jaychampvinyl: is SO WEIRD styrofoamfuror: i remember it took me forever and ever to be able to identify which of the beastie boys were which jaychampvinyl: oh god jaychampvinyl: yeah styrofoamfuror: i think i've forgotten now but i think you need to learn how to listen to rap music jaychampvinyl: god, you REALLY do styrofoamfuror: like, in the beginning i think rap can be kind of confusing styrofoamfuror: so many voices chiming in jaychampvinyl: soooo confusing! styrofoamfuror: often for just a verse jaychampvinyl: and saying so many nonsesnical things jaychampvinyl: I listened to Illmatic like five hundred times trying to figure out why it was groundbreaking in college jaychampvinyl: I liked it enough jaychampvinyl: and some of it was obvious jaychampvinyl: but SO MANY LINES that just sailed past me jaychampvinyl: about 80 percent of them, I'd say jaychampvinyl: were just noises flying over my head styrofoamfuror: i think another key thing was that in 1995 as a 13 year old knowing nothing about rap, i missed the one bazillion references on this record styrofoamfuror: so so so many lines quoting other rap songs styrofoamfuror: at a point down the road, by prob 98 or so, i was pretty obsessed with the instrumentals jaychampvinyl: this one's solid ["Sabrosa"] styrofoamfuror: i made a tape out of the instrumentals on this record, Check Yr Head and Hello Nasty jaychampvinyl: hahaha wow jaychampvinyl: how about The Insound from way out? jaychampvinyl: that must have been your JAM styrofoamfuror: yeah, made while not realizing that there existed an import record called Insound.... styrofoamfuror: i lived in oneonta, ny styrofoamfuror: so there was no such thing jaychampvinyl: hahahah, right styrofoamfuror: i remember being really stoked when i finally found that record styrofoamfuror: but then bummed that there were only two bonus tracks styrofoamfuror: and the ones from hello nasty weren't on there styrofoamfuror: (cause that came out after)  jaychampvinyl: btw, kinda forgot that there was a song on this record called "Bodhisattva Vow" jaychampvinyl: the beginning of the end jaychampvinyl: visible only now jaychampvinyl: kinda like "Revolution No. 9" on the White Album jaychampvinyl: "uh oh" jaychampvinyl: SOMETHING WICKED THIS WAY COMES styrofoamfuror: christgau describes the instrumentals as "the unschooled funk of a prerap garage band" styrofoamfuror: this song always seemed like a bad acid trip (sorry, mom!) jaychampvinyl: yup jaychampvinyl: also: first terrible MCA lyrics about the world and stuff styrofoamfuror: it was a little too melodeath core jaychampvinyl: wayy too much so styrofoamfuror: except at 2:16 styrofoamfuror: when those beautiful sad piano chords come in jaychampvinyl: oooooh forgot about those jaychampvinyl: yes styrofoamfuror: they literally made the song ok to me jaychampvinyl: "I give respect to King and his nonviolent ways" jaychampvinyl: how benevolent of MCA to "give" respect to Martin Luther fucking King Jr. styrofoamfuror: this song, vocal-wise kind of epitomized ways i didn't like their vocals styrofoamfuror: oh dude styrofoamfuror: the intro to futterman's rule styrofoamfuror: Big Youth sample styrofoamfuror: but this is literally the first time i've known that styrofoamfuror: and it's fucking great jaychampvinyl: you are obsessive jaychampvinyl: btw jaychampvinyl: yes jaychampvinyl: these are really great jaychampvinyl: simple, amateurish, yeah, but somehow nail something jaychampvinyl: there's some vibe they nail here jaychampvinyl: they probably created it jaychampvinyl: like, this WORKS styrofoamfuror: oh man jaychampvinyl: and none of them can really play and none of them really know what the fuck theyr'e doing styrofoamfuror: this is my FAVE of the instrumentals actually jaychampvinyl: it shouldn't sound this good, logically, when they do this styrofoamfuror: THEY can't play but Eric Bobo can styrofoamfuror: as can Money Mark jaychampvinyl: right styrofoamfuror: i remember being really bummed that the Insound record didn't have this one on it styrofoamfuror: and feeling triumphant about my own self-collected tape jaychampvinyl: yes! jaychampvinyl: as you should jaychampvinyl: good old-fashioned questing nerd ingenuity styrofoamfuror: i definitely put this on as an interlude a few times jaychampvinyl: while fucking? jaychampvinyl: 'hold on, hold on, just stay there, I really want to play this song" jaychampvinyl: 'JUST HOLD ON!" styrofoamfuror: haaa styrofoamfuror: i meant on a mix styrofoamfuror: no fucking at this point in my life styrofoamfuror: i rememebr trying to scratch records on our record player styrofoamfuror: "BEN THIS ISN'T A DIRECT DRIVE TURNTABLE!!!" styrofoamfuror: my mom shouting in the background jaychampvinyl: hahahahaha jaychampvinyl: take a disco nap! jaychampvinyl: I am sure I did that once jaychampvinyl: just pulled the record back jaychampvinyl: and then freaked out when it made the WORST sound imaginable jaychampvinyl: this one sounds a little Soul Coughing-y styrofoamfuror: yeah, actually "Alright Hear This" is incredibly ala mid 90s Beck jaychampvinyl: yes styrofoamfuror: again, i don't know who is first jaychampvinyl: the cutting/scratching is a little more old-sounding to these ears styrofoamfuror: but it sounds literally indistinguishable save the lyrics jaychampvinyl: yes jaychampvinyl: it does styrofoamfuror: listen to "In a Cold Ass Fashion" styrofoamfuror: also from 1994 styrofoamfuror: http://whiskeyclonehotelcity1997layitontothedawnshecantalktosquirrels.net/ghost/songinfo.php?songID=147 styrofoamfuror: which is what he was originally going to call Odelay jaychampvinyl: Gettin' all caught up in a taste test / And it all basically tastes like crap styrofoamfuror: exactly styrofoamfuror: oh man styrofoamfuror: a great song jaychampvinyl: haaaaa @ the title "Eugene's Lament" jaychampvinyl: and also @ the song itself styrofoamfuror: hahah, yes styrofoamfuror: is that a violin? jaychampvinyl: this is retarded jaychampvinyl: yes styrofoamfuror: this also sounds Beck-ish jaychampvinyl: in a terrible sort of way styrofoamfuror: for some reason (reason: i am sloppy and not astute) as a kid i never heard the similarity styrofoamfuror: now i'm becoming increasingly convinced that half of this record is near-interchangeable with some less exciting understanding of mid 90s beck jaychampvinyl: hahaha yes jaychampvinyl: also, it is wearing on me a bit jaychampvinyl: pretty samey towards the end jaychampvinyl: this is more the unexciting gumbo I was expecting styrofoamfuror: so basically tracks 1-7 are more or less exhilarating styrofoamfuror: tracks 8-12 zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz jaychampvinyl: the back half is Starbucks turntablism styrofoamfuror: there is really not a ton of actual rapping on this record jaychampvinyl: this is turning into a slog for me styrofoamfuror: Do It styrofoamfuror: not exciting styrofoamfuror: is the result jaychampvinyl: I am starting to have uncharitable thoughts about 1997-era goateed hipsters jaychampvinyl: I am seeing them doing stupid dances in my head styrofoamfuror: apparently the single version of "Get It Together" did NOT have Qtip on it? jaychampvinyl: whoa, weird styrofoamfuror: i'm not sure how that song exists without him jaychampvinyl: me neither? jaychampvinyl: they must recut the whole song jaychampvinyl: yeah the back half is straight bong water-Sega Genesis music styrofoamfuror: yeh dude, i was right there styrofoamfuror: to put on between phish bootleg tapes styrofoamfuror: also: "Sure Shot" was one of the songs deemed inappropriate to play on radio after Sept 11 by Clear Channel styrofoamfuror: "Clear Channel Banned Songs" styrofoamfuror: thanks Mays family styrofoamfuror: you fucking scumbags styrofoamfuror: Sabotage was also banned styrofoamfuror: Louis Armstrong, "What a Wonderful World" jaychampvinyl: jesus fucking christ, those people jaychampvinyl: that list jaychampvinyl: is straight gestapo jaychampvinyl: (no huffpo) styrofoamfuror: Dave Matthews "Crash Into Me" styrofoamfuror: David Bowie and Mick Jagger "Dancing in the Street" (probably a good thing since it's fucking godawful) jaychampvinyl: "We are banning all 80s Rolling Stones, mostly befcause it sucks" jaychampvinyl: I love that this is "Ricky's Theme" jaychampvinyl: also: haaa styrofoamfuror: Heart Attack Man is better than Tough Guy styrofoamfuror: but existed as a novelty even as an unperformed idea jaychampvinyl: a little diddy about a good guy I know jaychampvinyl: Man, at this point, I'm just thinking about Paul's Boutique jaychampvinyl: and how good "Shadrach" would probalby sound at this point in the running time styrofoamfuror: i'm getting bumcore now styrofoamfuror: how the fuck could they have banned Cat Stevens "Peace Train" styrofoamfuror: fucking dicks styrofoamfuror: i have Mark Mays's cell phone number by the way styrofoamfuror: remind me to distribute on the internet at some point styrofoamfuror: (he's the CEO) jaychampvinyl: hahaha, yes styrofoamfuror: the only thing i can say favorably is that the company is doing terribly now styrofoamfuror: so they're getting theirs (sorta, not really) styrofoamfuror: "All songs by Rage Against the Machine" styrofoamfuror: Sugar Ray "Fly" jaychampvinyl: JESUSSSS styrofoamfuror: let's ban literally the most innocuous song ever written jaychampvinyl: but he wants to Fly jaychampvinyl: (A PLANE INTO THE PENTAGON) styrofoamfuror: what a fucking mental arbitrary list styrofoamfuror: Limp Bizkit "Break Stuff" styrofoamfuror: haha no more sorry jaychampvinyl: tjat jaychampvinyl: that's one I can get behind jaychampvinyl: Fred Durst incited mass rapes styrofoamfuror: oh man Shambala styrofoamfuror: we are listening the beastie boys styrofoamfuror: and this record has turned into muddled nonsense jaychampvinyl: jesus god jaychampvinyl: this is it jaychampvinyl: this is Revolution NO. 9 jaychampvinyl: I am so very ready for the Beastie Boys to finish Ill communicating with me styrofoamfuror: it's like they just put a record on 20 minutes ago and left the room jaychampvinyl: this is the song that presaged just how awful they were going to become jaychampvinyl: as people jaychampvinyl: and as people making music jaychampvinyl: not awful as people jaychampvinyl: just laughable jaychampvinyl: to me, this is some bono awfulness jaychampvinyl: if you're into Buddhism jaychampvinyl: don't aggrandize about it on your album jaychampvinyl: plz styrofoamfuror: this was literally pot consumption tunes jaychampvinyl: so, wow, turns out this album could have ended after "Get IT Together" styrofoamfuror: Bodhisattva Vow styrofoamfuror: fuckign terrible styrofoamfuror: this is unpleasant to listen to jaychampvinyl: "I'll be glad if it helps anyone else out, too" styrofoamfuror: i remember never liking this one jaychampvinyl: GAAAAAAAAH jaychampvinyl: this makes KRS-One look like a funny, laidback dude jaychampvinyl: I CAN'T BELIEVE ADAM YAUCH DID THIS styrofoamfuror: yeah styrofoamfuror: terrible jaychampvinyl: ok jaychampvinyl: deep breath jaychampvinyl: transitions jaychampvinyl: final track styrofoamfuror: Transitions isn't terrible jaychampvinyl: back into mediocre-funk territory jaychampvinyl: and it's pleasing styrofoamfuror: it's actually totally acceptable out of context styrofoamfuror: just not really in the context of having been subjected to 12 previous tracks of either lite-funk, bad buddhism or boring fuzz-rap jaychampvinyl: hahaha jaychampvinyl: exactly jaychampvinyl: well put jaychampvinyl: weird how quickly this turned for me jaychampvinyl: I was REALLY into this jaychampvinyl: for the first third jaychampvinyl: I can no loinger believe that "Sabotage" is on this album styrofoamfuror: "jaychampvinyl: IT'S SO FUCKING AWESOM E" jaychampvinyl: I KNOW styrofoamfuror: ok over styrofoamfuror: wow styrofoamfuror: shittown jaychampvinyl: hahaha styrofoamfuror: no wonder people talked shit on this album styrofoamfuror: at least Check Yr Head is like 35 mintues jaychampvinyl: THERE IT WAS, FOLKS- YOUR TRI-WEEKLY FUNDAY AFTERNOON MEMORY-RAPING BUZZKILL styrofoamfuror: hahahaha styrofoamfuror: yep The final verdict: things went down easier when I was a know-nothing teenager who smoked pot all day dreaming what it would be like to "have a girlfriend" or "leave upstate New York". Beastie Boys - "Sabotage" (I still fucking love you!) Labels: Jayson Greene In Spirit, memories, music, old flames, rap, re-appraisals posted by Nihilist Loves Hate, Hates Everything at 9/15/2009 07:57:00 PM 0 comments Wednesday, August 19, 2009 Sad But True: We Listened To Metallica For An Hour And Now You Have To Pay For It  Ok, so for re-appraisal number 3, Jayson and I sat down two Fridays ago to listen to the "classic" Metallica self-titled "Black Album" from 1991--a record known well to us both and one that at one point we each held dearly to our hearts. I say unequivocally: no longer. Dear god. Terrible. So. Terrible. What follows is a sad and REALLY LENGTHY transcription of our listening experience. I apologize for the length, so standard "read if bored / skip if not" disclaimer should be attached as always. Ok, then! ------------ jaychampionvinyl: ok, let's do this jaychampionvinyl: wow I am looking at the Metallica song titles as they unzip and realizing what I am in for JeffreyBeaumont: ok here we go jaychampionvinyl: okay, wow jaychampionvinyl: enter Sandman jaychampionvinyl: deep end jaychampionvinyl: we can do this jaychampionvinyl: nope jaychampionvinyl: wow jaychampionvinyl: wow jaychampionvinyl: wow JeffreyBeaumont: holy shit JeffreyBeaumont: wow jaychampionvinyl: nothing about this sounds even remotely cool jaychampionvinyl: like, it sounds like a parody of what my little cousin thinks his dad likes jaychampionvinyl: we're both COMPLETELY SPEECHLESS jaychampionvinyl: this album went diamond JeffreyBeaumont: i feel like this is a scene in South Park JeffreyBeaumont: where the kids are incredibly excited about something kids are supposed to be excited about JeffreyBeaumont: and then they experience it and it's just silence JeffreyBeaumont: Kyle goes, quietly, "Dude.... Dude. What the eff?" JeffreyBeaumont: and Cartman bellows, "Huh-ho!" jaychampionvinyl: hahahahahaha jaychampionvinyl: dead on JeffreyBeaumont: 'HUSH LITTLE BABY DON'T SAY A WORD" JeffreyBeaumont: Stan: "Who the fuck are these pedophiles???" jaychampionvinyl: dude, "Gripping your pillow tight" "It's just the beast under your bed, in your closet in your head" jaychampionvinyl: NO jaychampionvinyl: HOMO JeffreyBeaumont: i'm reviewing the track lengths of these songs JeffreyBeaumont: and realizing there's gonna be plenty of time for introspection here jaychampionvinyl: so far this is indescribably awful JeffreyBeaumont: this is lame in a way i'm convinced that guns n roses never were jaychampionvinyl: dude, you are totally 100 percent correct jaychampionvinyl: not even Motley Fucking Crue, in some cases, were this lame JeffreyBeaumont: it's still astonishing to me that as of this moment, this is the ONLY metallica record i've listened to more than twice jaychampionvinyl: hahaa yeah jaychampionvinyl: this will probably ruin everything else of theirs, including the stuff that I still think is any good JeffreyBeaumont: "Sad But True" jaychampionvinyl: Kid Rock jaychampionvinyl: is all I got as of this moment JeffreyBeaumont: listening to this is so strange JeffreyBeaumont: i got this record and nevermind within a week of each other in fall of 1991 and at some point a year or so later, 92 or 93, i remember thinking to myself, "Wow, they fucking load both of these records with hits in the beginning and the back ends are BORING" JeffreyBeaumont: metallica did videos for Sandman, Sad But True, Unforgiven, and Whereever I May Roam JeffreyBeaumont: 4 out of the first 5 tracks on this record, and same for Nevermind JeffreyBeaumont: But it's just hilarious thinking about this now, because those Nevermind singles are still great (though they're a little worn for me) and now i love the backend JeffreyBeaumont:however, so far these metallica "singles" sound fucking awful JeffreyBeaumont: and i am trembling with fear at the potential terribleness of the backend jaychampionvinyl: yeah...the secret here is: the back end is worse jaychampionvinyl: if it weren't for the weird guitar talkbox sounds, I'd be a little more ok with Holier Than Thou because it picsk up the pace a littel bit jaychampionvinyl: but then the lyrics start jaychampionvinyl: God JeffreyBeaumont: yeah it definitely sounded better in the beginning than the first two JeffreyBeaumont: but the vocals come in and then so does boring guitar JeffreyBeaumont: i wasn't expecting to fall in love with this record again but i'm shocked at a) how much i'm not enjoying it and b) how amazingly TAME it sounds JeffreyBeaumont: there is almost nothing "hard" about this shit to me jaychampionvinyl: YES AND YES jaychampionvinyl: it sounds so corny and harmless jaychampionvinyl: oh boy, The Unforgiven JeffreyBeaumont: ok jaychampionvinyl: I'm already happier JeffreyBeaumont: dude i'm diggin this so far JeffreyBeaumont: this intro is fucking great jaychampionvinyl: this at least sounds like a Queensryche song JeffreyBeaumont: Scorpions jaychampionvinyl: this song is, I think, probably still great jaychampionvinyl: we'll see JeffreyBeaumont: oh god, the verse jaychampionvinyl: BHGAQHAH jaychampionvinyl: Oh my god jaychampionvinyl: IT'S SO DECISIVE jaychampionvinyl: ok aaaaaaaand.....AWFUL! JeffreyBeaumont: still.....better than the rest jaychampionvinyl: the melody is good? JeffreyBeaumont: oh man jaychampionvinyl: wayyyy better jaychampionvinyl: I didn't realize what a cop of this song "Disarm" is JeffreyBeaumont: in 1991 they should have just been writing ballads, basically jaychampionvinyl: yeah, I actually still get chills with "so I dub thee unforgiven" jaychampionvinyl: that immediately curdle when the verse comes in jaychampionvinyl: Man, after you've cleaned this out of your ears jaychampionvinyl: I want you to listen to Master of Puppets and tell me what you hear JeffreyBeaumont: i got my first cd player for my ninth birthday, in summer 1991 JeffreyBeaumont: a boombox from my parents JeffreyBeaumont: for christmas my uncle tony came to town and i had him buy me this record and appetite for destruction jaychampionvinyl: haha JeffreyBeaumont: and we came back from the store and my parents were like !!!!!!!!!!!!!! jaychampionvinyl: hahahahaha JeffreyBeaumont: i'd had a tape of appetite i'd gotten from grandparents' next door neighbor's son freddie peguori JeffreyBeaumont: (now in jail for grand larceny) JeffreyBeaumont: but it got eaten in the car and i begged my parents to buy it for me and they wouldnt jaychampionvinyl: SITAR RIFF. this sucks JeffreyBeaumont: yes jaychampionvinyl: sucks very very hard JeffreyBeaumont: god this is fucking weak sauce JeffreyBeaumont: no wonder your brother hated this record jaychampionvinyl: oh man, with the force of a thousand suns jaychampionvinyl: I'm trying to think of somethign you hate as rabidly as my brother hated this album JeffreyBeaumont: natalie portman JeffreyBeaumont: the true beacon of hate jaychampionvinyl: go further jaychampionvinyl: think of the thing that makes you feel so sick and angry about humanity that you really don't think you can live anymore jaychampionvinyl: that's how my brother John felt about this album JeffreyBeaumont: wow JeffreyBeaumont: that is admittedly worse than natalie portman jaychampionvinyl: btw, did you know that my friend Ben Fl**** went on a double prom date with Natalie Portman? his friend took her. jaychampionvinyl: he said she was a stuck up, prim and obnoxious JeffreyBeaumont: dude, she is the worst person living not in metallica jaychampionvinyl: hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhaha hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahaa jaychampionvinyl: that is the single greatest insult I've ever heard jaychampionvinyl: god every guitar solo sounds exactly the same! jaychampionvinyl: squeedly -SQUEEEEE, squeedly- WAHHHH WAHH WAHHHHH JeffreyBeaumont: i feel like writing her a letter: "Dear Natalie: Congratulations, I now realize that Lars Ulrich is the one person in the world worse than you." jaychampionvinyl: AHAHAHA JeffreyBeaumont: However...here's something i can't explain: I have an unnatural teddybear love for james hetfield JeffreyBeaumont: please explain to me why this is possible? JeffreyBeaumont: in my head i am not believing that ANY of the badness of this record is his fault JeffreyBeaumont: and i'm entirely blaming lars and kirk hammet JeffreyBeaumont: 100% JeffreyBeaumont: Is it because he looks kind of like Tom Waits?****** jaychampionvinyl: okay, that is six thousand steps too far jaychampionvinyl: he's like a scowling little cartoon bear jaychampionvinyl: And the truth is, James Hetfield is more or less responsible entirely for their shift JeffreyBeaumont: http://www.celebrityzine.net/files/images/james-hetfield.jpg jaychampionvinyl: and his vocals are so herniated and awful jaychampionvinyl: as to ruin everything even further JeffreyBeaumont: http://infinitestatemachine.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/james-hetfield.jpg JeffreyBeaumont: OH GOD JeffreyBeaumont: BEST YET JeffreyBeaumont: http://www.celebrityrockstarguitars.com/rock/images/isthatabanjo.jpg jaychampionvinyl: HAAAAAAAAAAAA JeffreyBeaumont: A FUCKING BANJO  jaychampionvinyl: wait jaychampionvinyl: wait jaychampionvinyl: wait jaychampionvinyl: wait JeffreyBeaumont: the intro jaychampionvinyl: play the intro jaychampionvinyl: YES jaychampionvinyl: AMERICA JeffreyBeaumont: Dont tread on me JeffreyBeaumont: HOIATJ'IORGANM',L;DF,L,;LSCA jaychampionvinyl: WEST SIDE STORY RIFF JeffreyBeaumont: ASDNSDANI;ASD;VNA JeffreyBeaumont: LSasASD'VNASDVFA JeffreyBeaumont: WEST SIDE STORY jaychampionvinyl: I have to play that again jaychampionvinyl: are you with me? JeffreyBeaumont: NO HOMO JeffreyBeaumont: YES jaychampionvinyl: we have to go back JeffreyBeaumont: LIKE TO THE LOST ISLAND JeffreyBeaumont: WHAT THE FUCKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK jaychampionvinyl: how did no one comment on thjis!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!?!\GAY;WEAS LASDFL;KHADFS;KHLADHL jaychampionvinyl: GAYEST THING SERIOUSLY POSSIBLE jaychampionvinyl: oh my I'm seriously crying jaychampionvinyl: there are tears of laughter streaming down my face right now jaychampionvinyl: How do you solve a problem like.....SATAN?????????? JeffreyBeaumont: at this point in South Park JeffreyBeaumont: saddam hussein would come on the screen jaychampionvinyl: hahahahah JeffreyBeaumont: and metallica would pull their masks off JeffreyBeaumont: and they're all iraqis JeffreyBeaumont: except lars ulrich JeffreyBeaumont: who is osama bin laden jaychampionvinyl: oh my goddddddddd JeffreyBeaumont: and then you just hear one slow swearword bleep coming out of Stan's mouth JeffreyBeaumont: and kenny gets killed by a scimitar jaychampionvinyl: and James Heftfield comes out and plays the south park theme song on banjo JeffreyBeaumont: NOW i understand why parents didn't want their kids listening to this shit JeffreyBeaumont: they didn't want them to grow up tasteless and braindead jaychampionvinyl: I can't even imagine the fact that we might not have made it this far into the album to discover this moment jaychampionvinyl: who did it? JeffreyBeaumont: i have to believe it was lars's idea jaychampionvinyl: do you think that Kirk Hammett did it to amuse himself? and that no one else knew? jaychampionvinyl: "what's literally the gayest thing I could do to this shitty song?" JeffreyBeaumont: "in the future, who would ever illegally download our record if we throw in some West Side Story?" jaychampionvinyl: haaaaaaa JeffreyBeaumont: i will say--it doesn't at all help them that recording processes in 1990 were at close to the peak of their awfulness jaychampionvinyl: yes yes yes jaychampionvinyl: this was produced by Bob Rock jaychampionvinyl: nuff said JeffreyBeaumont: like the maximum point of studio production making ALL music sounding dead and lifeless jaychampionvinyl: every guitar needed to sound like it had sausage casings around it JeffreyBeaumont: god forbid anything get in the way of a slick electric guitar JeffreyBeaumont: so far the best things on this entire fucking record are the intros to Unforgiven, Wherever I May Roam and Nothing Else Matters jaychampionvinyl: they should have just become Kansas with this album JeffreyBeaumont: Nothing Else Matters sounds good JeffreyBeaumont: i'm telling you, they should have just madea record of ballads jaychampionvinyl: also: this was widely considered "the worst" song on this record, because it was a sissy ballad jaychampionvinyl: like, when people pointed to how bad Metallica had become, they pointed to THIS SONG jaychampionvinyl: and it's the ONLY PASSABLE SONG HERE JeffreyBeaumont: the bridge is straight late 70s Floyd jaychampionvinyl: yes!!!! perfect call jaychampionvinyl: it's really pretty! JeffreyBeaumont: sounds like something off the Wall JeffreyBeaumont: it still sounds very 1990 but in a way i'm completly fine with jaychampionvinyl: exactly JeffreyBeaumont: AllMusic: The best songs are more melodic and immediate, the crushing, stripped-down grooves of "Enter Sandman," "Sad but True," and "Wherever I May Roam"" JeffreyBeaumont: LIES JeffreyBeaumont: LIES JeffreyBeaumont: "crushing, stripped-down grooves"?!?! jaychampionvinyl: I want it to end there jaychampionvinyl: but go on it must JeffreyBeaumont: oh god jaychampionvinyl: "Of Wolf and Man" JeffreyBeaumont: "OF WOLF AND MAN" JeffreyBeaumont: this record could easily be subtitled "To Kill Your Fuck" JeffreyBeaumont: i want to watch a video right now of a couple enjoying having sex to this song jaychampionvinyl: HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA jaychampionvinyl: yes jaychampionvinyl: me too! jaychampionvinyl: oh god jaychampionvinyl: I can already see it jaychampionvinyl: the guy, in particuarl, is very clear to me jaychampionvinyl: he's on top, pumping away jaychampionvinyl: every once in awhile he throw his head back to commune with the night sky jaychampionvinyl: "COME TO ME, MOTHER EARTH, FOR I AM FUCK" JeffreyBeaumont: she's either just laying there motionlessly or else REALLY excited about him and the guitars and the excitement he's getting from it all JeffreyBeaumont: "FUCK ME BIG BOY" jaychampionvinyl: I am seeing more the heavy lidded gaze off to the right JeffreyBeaumont: bass intro to God That Failed: Nirvana JeffreyBeaumont: according to wikipedia, this song deals "with Hetfield's mother's death from cancer and her Christian Science beliefs which kept her from seeking medical treatment." JeffreyBeaumont: also, Metallica is the first band ever to achieve five consecutive number one debuts. JeffreyBeaumont: also Bob Rock's real name is Bob Rock JeffreyBeaumont: how the fuck did ReLoad debut at #1 JeffreyBeaumont: i forgot it has a track called "Unforgiven II" JeffreyBeaumont: in my head i feel like if i listened to Load now it wouldn't seem that bad JeffreyBeaumont: that's probably wrong, right? jaychampionvinyl: oh god oh god jaychampionvinyl: you have no idea how bad that would sound JeffreyBeaumont: hahaaa jaychampionvinyl: we should do that next week JeffreyBeaumont: my friend misery jaychampionvinyl: yes JeffreyBeaumont: i think worse than anything are the guitars on this record JeffreyBeaumont: they are just fucking terrible jaychampionvinyl: haha yes JeffreyBeaumont: this is fucking awful JeffreyBeaumont: i am flabberghasted jaychampionvinyl: and endless!! jaychampionvinyl: and so monotonous! JeffreyBeaumont: nice bridge JeffreyBeaumont: not terrible JeffreyBeaumont: some actually interesting guitar JeffreyBeaumont: ungh JeffreyBeaumont: then stops JeffreyBeaumont: this arguably a worse and more joyless album than the Fiery Furnaces record Blueberry Boat jaychampionvinyl: we are in army recruiting video territory JeffreyBeaumont: christgau's review for this record:  jaychampionvinyl: haaa! jaychampionvinyl: one of the few times I am grateful for his glib little pseudo-reviews JeffreyBeaumont: ok. wow. JeffreyBeaumont: unceremoniously concluded JeffreyBeaumont: fucking terrible JeffreyBeaumont: bad bad bad JeffreyBeaumont: thanks for killing my fuck, guys. jaychampionvinyl: I feel brutalized jaychampionvinyl: and yes, I didn't even notice it had ended!!!! JeffreyBeaumont: i am now going to listen to a cover of Evan Dando doing "Fade to Black" jaychampionvinyl: WE'RE DONE LISTEN (IF YOU WANT SOME CONTEXT FOR THIS AWFULNESS): Metallica - "Unforgiven" from Metallica ("Black Album") Metallica - "Nothing Else Matters" from Metallica ("Black Album") Metallica - "Don't Tread On Me" from Metallica ("Black Album") Evan Dando - "Fade to Black" (Metallica cover) NOTES: [FYI, IF YOU MADE IT THIS FAR YOU NEED A JOB BUT I WILL BUY YOU A BEER, WHOEVER YOU ARE] *** -- Oddly enough, Hetfield lists Tom Waits (and Leonard Cohen) as his favorite lyricists of all time... Labels: Dog And Pony Show, IMs, Jayson Greene In Spirit, mp3, music, re-appraisals posted by Nihilist Loves Hate, Hates Everything at 8/19/2009 03:39:00 AM 1 comments 1
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Sunday, August 09, 2009 Billy, Billy: Can I Love You Again?  Me, building our house, 1984. From here. Right now I am at home and electively listening to--and enjoying!-- the Smashing Pumpkins in a non-nostalgic way for the first time in so many years--early college, at a minimum, and even that seems maybe not true. And it feels mighty strange. It seems to have all started with me Luckily, in wanting to listen to more Smashing Pumpkins, I didn't have to really "get" anything--I owned most of their "worthwhile" albums (up through Mellon Collie singles) and still have the discs tucked away in some never-ever-ever-flipped through cd binders under my bed. Still, I'm pretty sure (though I might be wrong!) that even with the openest of minds, I would have trouble right now getting into Siamese Dream or, especially, Mellon Collie. I listened to each of those records way too many times as a developing teen and anytime I've put them on since then has felt mostly awkward and/or unenjoyable. Less "experienced" for me though, are debut record Gish and the Gish/Siamese era b-sides collection Pisces Iscariot, and so I decided that they would be the best place to start. In particular, I had a feeling I would enjoy the latter as I recalled it being a more fully formed peak-era Pumpkins than the more gestational efforts of Gish. In just thinking about it, I could already hear "Obscured" playing in my head... zap zap zap zap zap.  zap zap zap zap zap. One amazing thing about being a kid vs. being a crazed adult music obsessive is how as a youth I would get into groups through one or two records and listen the shit out of those records--blam blam every day: blasting on my boombox at home, my Walkmen/Discmen on the schoolbus/bike/streets, on poorly recorded cassettes played in my parents' cars. I bled with them and they bled me. Unfortunately, with most of those discs--the aforementioned Pumpkins, Nevermind, Vs., Joshua Tree, Automatic for the People, Sgt. Peppers, Led Zeppelin's II, IV, Houses of the Holy, and a million other classic rock records--my relationship with most of them was not as a farmer tending to his crops and periodically picking fruit, but one where I ate every bit of the plant until there was nothing left to grow again. Growing out of this kind of behavior is part of growing up as a music devotee, but it means that an overhead glance of the fields of my musical landscape includes many patches of dry leaves and scorched earth. This way of singular listening was fueled admittedly by a limitation of funds and a coming of age in a pre-broadband world where everything wasn't easily available for free download (or even brain awareness). I knew some kids who could just head down to their local record store and pick up whatever they felt like, but I wasn't one of them--and anyway, again, even if I could have, I didn't even know how to find out about stuff that wasn't known by my parents or written up in Rolling Stone. Which meant that despite listening to Siamese Dream more from 1993-1999 than any other record in my collection (and Mellon Collie to a similar albeit lesser extent from 96-99), I had never even heard either Gish--or known about Pisces Iscariot--up to that point. In today's world of instant knowledge accumulation, pondering the ramifications of this fact sort of astonishes me: there was a point, just very recently, when I was even beyond childhood, when not only could I not find "anything" out instantly, but when I might not even attempt to try. For a voracious truth-seeker like myself, I have to give a little laugh. Especially when I think about myself and the fact that at age 16 I was way more obsessed with Truth than the "truths" I am intrigued by now. In any event, it meant that by the point in time in which I'd finally purchased these two records, I'd already moved beyond my Love for the Smashing Pumpkins, and the process of tearing them apart to discover their secrets no longer appealed to me. But to be clear: this non-exploration is not to be confused with, say, loving U2 or Led Zeppelin and getting a Pop or In Through the Out Door, shallow/mediocre records not worth exploring. Therefore, unopened--or rather, opened and then re-wrapped--Christmas presents they became, sitting on my proverbial and literal shelves gathering dust. And now, here I am in August 2009 listening to them again and trying to care for the first time. zap zap zap zap zap.  High on drugs, always, 1997. From here. zap zap zap zap zap. As I began my first listening of Pisces Iscariot, I was sort of shocked at how much I was not bothered by Billy Corgan, an arrogant and whiny-voiced man who probably should have always annoyed me more than he did. Sorry, Billy, but your antics are trying and your act tired. In later periods of Smashing Pumpkins (beginning with Mellon Collie, but especially so after that), Corgan's singing began to take on less of a "lead singer" and more of a "wannabe ominous godhead" tenor. Thankfully, on these early records, he's just a man who wants to be heard, and it's largely ok (minus one truly cringeworthy moment on his cover of the Fleetwood Mac standard "Landslide"). But overall? Yeah, I dig. Most of Pisces is still pretty great. There's a handful of throwaway thrashers, but many these songs--especially "Obscured", "Whir" and "La Dolly Vita"--are largely good enough to continue standing up today, and perhaps most importantly, don't sound sonically dated. It's true that listening makes you think "90s" but I have to believe that has more to do with the powerful psychological associations people have with Corgan's voice than anything else. Compare that to literally ANYTHING pre-95 by Pearl Jam, Soundgarden or other early 90s alt-mainstream leaders (save In Utero), all of which are timestamped forever, and you have to hand it to Billy--he may have been a crazy asshole (especially in the studio), but he relied on different techniques and sounds than he's peers and thus made music that can live on a little longer without aggressively connoting a dark-haired Bill Clinton. Even on Gish, which I put on after Pisces, I was surprised at how great and fully-formed they sound. The songwriting is a little weaker than his later efforts, but the musicianship and sound are excellent. I'm still surprised that I skipped right past this disc, even after digesting Siamese Dream$$$, but that was the way of things in 1994 before the world wide web existed for normal people. Anyway, there's some thoughts on revisiting Billy & Co. Below make sure to check out a few of those I particularly enjoyed. LISTEN: Smashing Pumpkins - "Obscured", from Pisces Iscariot Smashing Pumpkins - "La Dolly Vita", from Pisces Iscariot Smashing Pumpkins - "Whir", from Pisces Iscariot Smashing Pumpkins - "Rhinoceros", from Gish Smashing Pumpkins - "Suffer", from Gish Smashing Pumpkins - "Let Me Give The World To You", from Machina II (download directly from thepumpkins.net) BONUS LISTEN: Smashing Pumpkins - "Sweet Sweet" > "Luna", from Siamese Dream I once felt that "Sweet Sweet">"Luna" was the greatest one-two punch of sappy alternative rock sweetness I thought I would EVER hear. In high school I was once in love with a girl named Amy (not the girl whom my parents let me name my sister after***) and I felt triumphant as a placed these numbers at the end--She's GONNA like this! Now, haa, well, yeah. I still swoon a little but I guess I'm also a little older. NOTES: $$$ -- Oddly enough I didn't even pick up Siamese Dream through my own volition--my grandmother actually bought up for me together with Pearl Jam's Vs. on a Saturday afternoon in October 1993. I remember coming home from playing at a friend's after a morning soccer match and finding both cds sitting on my kitchen table with a note from my grandmother (who was in town visiting) saying that she'd read about Vs. in the papers as being a cd "all the kids are onto" and asked the store clerk to recommend another one as well (hence Siamese Dream). To this day, the fact that this ever happened completely bewilders me--after years and years of sweaters and sweatpants and strange gifts given to me before and after this point, I still fail to understand how on this one afternoon my grandma somehow just nailed it. Life is crazy sometimes, isn't it? *** -- No joke--my parents really did let their five and a half year old son name their newborn daughter. This story probably deserves its own post but here goes: I was in love with a girl in my kindergarten class named Amy Lott-Webb and when my sister was about to be born that December, my parents were bandying about the name Amelia for my sister if she turned out to be a girl. As the greedy logical tyrant that I am, I actually went to them to convince them that despite the fact that Amy is not technically an official shortening of Amelia, it ought to be (more so than Bill for William or Jack for John). For reasons that I am too young to remember and to this day will probably never understand, they actually bought my argument and even went one step further by choosing to only refer to her as Amy. Her birth certificate technically says Amelia, but the only time I ever remember hearing it is when my parents got mad at her (which, people, was practically never). Incidentally, Amy Lott-Webb moved out of my hometown at the end of the next year, and outside of one chance meeting when we were nine years old, I never saw her again. However, two years ago when I went back to Oneonta to get a tattoo, I learned amidst of having his needle pound in my chest that my tattoo artist Taylor, a young man who'd moved up from Alabama the year before, was engaged to be married to a pregnant Amy Lott-Webb, who had apparently moved back to Oneonta and met him and fell in love. The realization was so crazy to me that I flinched and caused him to almost stab me with the needle; leading him to ask what was wrong, at which point I told him and pointed to my sister lying on the table next to me, at which point he flinched and almost stabbed me again. What craziness. And somehow completing the cosmic silliness of it all, he gave us a painting he'd made of a Ringo Starr as gift (Zooey Deschanel, it's right here if you're bored). Life, I love you. Labels: 1990s, memories, mp3, music, old flames, re-appraisals posted by Nihilist Loves Hate, Hates Everything at 8/09/2009 03:15:00 PM 2 comments 2
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Monday, August 03, 2009 Re-Appraisal Live: Does Kim Gordon Really Ruin Everything? After our last effort in "re-appraising" Pearl Jam's No Code, Jay and I thought it would be fun to head towards a record of old that we might still want to listen to today. After running through a few choices, we settled on Sonic Youth's classic 1992 album Dirty, their second release for Geffen and the first where they finally had begun receiving some mainstream attention... hence Jay and I both listening to it before we had any real taste. Let the re-appraising commence. Note that this post is deprariously long. Sometimes you just gotta let it run free:  jaychampionvinyl: I'm so ready you can call me Helen JeffreyBeaumont: GREAT. 1, 2, 3, GO JeffreyBeaumont: oh man this fucking intro. I LOVE IT. jaychampionvinyl: this .... doesn't sound old. JeffreyBeaumont: i forgot that 100% is my favorite Sonic Youth song jaychampionvinyl: it sounds like amazing. jaychampionvinyl: this is not going to be an elevated critical discussion...it's mostly going to be "OMG!" JeffreyBeaumont: dude, this is the first sonic youth song i ever heard JeffreyBeaumont: i had heard so much nirvana-related buzz about this band, over and over jaychampionvinyl: same! JeffreyBeaumont: i ordered this record in 94 from Columbia House JeffreyBeaumont: or maybe it was BMG jaychampionvinyl: trivia question: do you remember what other records arrived with it? (something tells me maybe you do) JeffreyBeaumont: no JeffreyBeaumont: that was 93 JeffreyBeaumont: but JeffreyBeaumont: i remember hearing 100% and thinking, "WHOA WOW WTF AWESOME LOUDNESS" JeffreyBeaumont: but then "Swimsuit Issue" came on JeffreyBeaumont: and i'm like, "Who the FUCK is singing? Is that a woman?" jaychampionvinyl: hahahahahahaha, yeah JeffreyBeaumont: it's so atonal jaychampionvinyl: it sounds like it could either be a woman or a really pinched sounding bratty annoying 20 year old man JeffreyBeaumont: yes jaychampionvinyl: "I ain't givin you head in a Sunset bungalow!" jaychampionvinyl: fair enough, Kim JeffreyBeaumont: despite reading over and over that SY was "experimental" JeffreyBeaumont: i still was expecting super melodious riffage ala Nirvana jaychampionvinyl: I actually DIDN'T like 100% at all when I first heard it jaychampionvinyl: too "atonal" jaychampionvinyl: the guy "couldn't sing" JeffreyBeaumont: yeah i think i'm overemphasizing the awesome JeffreyBeaumont: i think on very first listen i probably didn't like it JeffreyBeaumont: but i think i came around quickly jaychampionvinyl: I saw the video on 120 Minutes and was like "this song would be awesome if he sang it right" JeffreyBeaumont: i remember learning years later how to play it on guitar jaychampionvinyl: hahahah "DETUNE GUITAR, HIT WITH FACE" JeffreyBeaumont: in order to do so, you need to detune the low FOUR strings to F# JeffreyBeaumont: so it's like F# F# F# F# E B JeffreyBeaumont: that was probably 96 or 97 when i tried that JeffreyBeaumont: and suddenly i remember understanding why it all sounded so sludgy JeffreyBeaumont: i also remember being tremendously annoyed that i then was unable to play ANY other songs on my guitar until i tuned it back JeffreyBeaumont: but to go back to Swimsuit Issue JeffreyBeaumont: the hilarious thing about that is that despite the fact that I hated the song JeffreyBeaumont: i had just gotten my first subscription to Sports Illustrated the previous year and i remmeber my mouth actually dropping as I began recognizing every name that Kim mouthed JeffreyBeaumont: "Those are the models in the magazine!" JeffreyBeaumont: Including one she mentions named Vendela, who was the cover girl in '93 jaychampionvinyl: hahahahaha JeffreyBeaumont: i'm googling it right now JeffreyBeaumont: but without even looking i remember she was wearing a silver strangely shaped suit either on the cover or on one of the pages inside JeffreyBeaumont: BOOM! http://swimsuit-issue.com/1993.html JeffreyBeaumont: god i loved that shit JeffreyBeaumont: i probably looked at it 500 times JeffreyBeaumont: anyway.... jaychampionvinyl: wow jaychampionvinyl: her boobs don't even look like boods jaychampionvinyl: they look like shoulders jaychampionvinyl: on her chest JeffreyBeaumont: yeah Vendela was never exciting to me JeffreyBeaumont: but look to the left JeffreyBeaumont: i LOVED the redhead girl JeffreyBeaumont: and Ashley Richardson below her jaychampionvinyl: hahaha, I love that this discussion has turned, three tracks in, to a discussion of Sports Illustrated Swimsuit models JeffreyBeaumont: yes. two tracks actually. JeffreyBeaumont: but that's the thing JeffreyBeaumont: i didn't know anything about music in 93 JeffreyBeaumont: and really only understood pop music JeffreyBeaumont: but getting back to things tho... JeffreyBeaumont: Theresa's JeffreyBeaumont: i was like, "Whoa, 'dark'", with that spindly guitar jaychampionvinyl: this is the first noise smear on this recorfd jaychampionvinyl: sounds sickly jaychampionvinyl: funny how there is still the pentatonic riffing to hold onto tho JeffreyBeaumont: really creepy JeffreyBeaumont: because the noise is built up jaychampionvinyl: it's never TOO far JeffreyBeaumont: it's actually pretty digestible dark early 90s grunge/indie JeffreyBeaumont: and as i grew up i came to LOVE the noise breakdown JeffreyBeaumont: but then as soon as that ends... JeffreyBeaumont: "Drunken Butterfly" JeffreyBeaumont: SCREEEEECH JeffreyBeaumont: I remmeber thinking by track 4, "What is this shit? Why do people compare these guys to Nirvana?!?" jaychampionvinyl: yeah, its funny how little this record makes me think of the time period iduring which it was released jaychampionvinyl: Sonic Youth, as a band, were a college experience for me jaychampionvinyl: I owned this and played it dutifully jaychampionvinyl: but it got about 1/100000th of the burn that, like, Ritual De Lo Habitual, Live THrough This, and Mellon Collie did jaychampionvinyl: to me, this feels very much like "now" music JeffreyBeaumont: i hear you JeffreyBeaumont: it's diffeernt for me, at least with this record (and to a lesser extent Daydream Nation) JeffreyBeaumont: because i sort of forced myself to listen and appreciate. not any others, but this one. JeffreyBeaumont: "Shoot" brings it back down though JeffreyBeaumont: I just love love this track and always did JeffreyBeaumont: ok... so i'm on "Wish Fulfillment" now JeffreyBeaumont: THIS song makes me think of the early 90s JeffreyBeaumont: way more than Thurston, lee renaldo's voice to me says "90S INDIE ROCK" Jayson: makes me think of, like, "Heart Shaped Box" meets Metallica's "One" Jayson: and agreed on the voice. Jayson: this is a way of singing that only existed during the George Herbert Walker Bush administration and the first Clinton term. JeffreyBeaumont: haha yes. JeffreyBeaumont: i always rememebr thinking that i liked his voice better than thurston's even though i knew it was worse JeffreyBeaumont: on a final supermodel-related note http://www.bellazon.com/main/index.php?s=a2cf16654290c50afcd7b7dff636f224&act=attach&type=post&id=261432 JeffreyBeaumont: this photo blew me away JeffreyBeaumont: from either 93 or 95 SI swimsuit issue JeffreyBeaumont: oh Ashley JeffreyBeaumont: basically listening to this record makes me think of sitting in my room late at night in 6th and 7th grade and flipping through my saved (never discarded) issues of the Sports Illustrated Swimsuit Issue, as I pondered notions of adolescence and my burgeoning sexuality jaychampionvinyl: hahahahah jaychampionvinyl: BASICALLY THIS WAS MY WANKING RECORD JeffreyBeaumont: yes JeffreyBeaumont: so JeffreyBeaumont: "Sugar Kane" you there jaychampionvinyl: sorry, yes...I just restarted Sugar Kane jaychampionvinyl: I'm back on track JeffreyBeaumont: this was the first song I remmeber really clicking when i began listening as an adult jaychampionvinyl: Sugar Kane? JeffreyBeaumont: like, at some point at age 17 or so i put it on and suddenly it blew me away JeffreyBeaumont: and it was like, at that exact moment i finally "got" sonic youth jaychampionvinyl: god this record is so so so good JeffreyBeaumont: yes, and this song in particular jaychampionvinyl: whoa, this outro is such an unexpected sunray JeffreyBeaumont: yes JeffreyBeaumont: and i definitely liked this track in the early days.... but i didn't get it JeffreyBeaumont: like most of this record JeffreyBeaumont: but in some way it feels like this track more than anything else from the 91-95 period... which explains why Sonic Youth were associated with grunge Jayson: I think it also has a lot to do with Thurston's vocal inflections JeffreyBeaumont: it does JeffreyBeaumont: but i think it also has to do with the intersection between melodious guitars and off-the-path experimentation JeffreyBeaumont: like, the next track "Orange Rolls" doesn't sound THAT crazy compared to a lot of real indie stuff from the time JeffreyBeaumont: but compared to mainstream indie/grunge it sounds like atonal craziness JeffreyBeaumont: "Sugar Kane" seems like some real meeting point between the worlds JeffreyBeaumont: "Orange Rolls" jaychampionvinyl: Orange Rolls JeffreyBeaumont: this was one more track i hated JeffreyBeaumont: i just could not understand these trashy kim songs jaychampionvinyl: her voice is an acquired taste jaychampionvinyl: kiinnda sounds like Jimbo from the Simpsons retching JeffreyBeaumont: there was a huge dichotomy of warm thurston and uncle lee and creepy skeezthrash momma Kim jaychampionvinyl: hahaha jaychampionvinyl: great fucking breakdown/jamout section in this one, tho JeffreyBeaumont: yes, that is something as an adult i can appreciate and actually love jaychampionvinyl: it's so uncanny how loosely tight they are jaychampionvinyl I realize sounds aggressively meaningless jaychampionvinyl: but it's such a weird trick JeffreyBeaumont: hahah JeffreyBeaumont: it is jaychampionvinyl: to sound together, but JUST BARELY jaychampionvinyl: to be able to cohere JeffreyBeaumont: i think that's the detuning thing JeffreyBeaumont: making them sound atonal/amateurish JeffreyBeaumont: but in fact tremendously in sync with one another jaychampionvinyl: yes, but I've seen them jam live and it really is an esxperience of watching four musicians tear everything down JeffreyBeaumont: oh man JeffreyBeaumont: so we are now at what for me in 1993/4 was THE BEST moment jaychampionvinyl: YOUTH AGAINST jaychampionvinyl: FASCISM JeffreyBeaumont: yes JeffreyBeaumont: the first 10 times i played this record this was the ONLY song i understood JeffreyBeaumont: it was also the a) the only song i easily learned how to play on guitar and b) the only one not requiring me to retune my guitar$$$$ jaychampionvinyl: hahaha yes jaychampionvinyl: I can see a young Beaumont in my mind jaychampionvinyl: gingerly finding the chords jaychampionvinyl: and then strumming hard on them JeffreyBeaumont: think they were like E / G / A / D / D JeffreyBeaumont: No-- G / D / C / A / A [after checking] jaychampionvinyl: haha JeffreyBeaumont: in hindsight this seems to be the least interesting song on the record JeffreyBeaumont: i rememebr reading the liner notes on seeing that it was the only song with a guest musician JeffreyBeaumont: "Xtra guitar: Ian MacKaye" JeffreyBeaumont: i remember thinking, "Whoever this dude is, he's obviously more of a rocker than these guys" JeffreyBeaumont: Yeah. jaychampionvinyl: the back half of this is starting to lose me in its jam waters JeffreyBeaumont: yeah JeffreyBeaumont: nic fit = weird nothing JeffreyBeaumont: On the Strip though jaychampionvinyl: yes, I typed that RIGHT before Kim's vox started in JeffreyBeaumont: it gets unjammy again jaychampionvinyl: this is like the clearest moment on the entire CD jaychampionvinyl: the fog parts jaychampionvinyl: and then there's creepy Kim jaychampionvinyl: whispering at you jaychampionvinyl: and it's way scarier than when she screams jaychampionvinyl: because now she's actually a Woman jaychampionvinyl: and they're pretty scary JeffreyBeaumont: she was probably the creepiest musician i'd yet encountered JeffreyBeaumont: oh man and then Chapel Hill is a brilliant rainbow jaychampionvinyl: yeah Thurston comes back and is like, "it's cool bro, she's gone. wanna go through 7 inches with me?" jaychampionvinyl: "it was all a bad dream" JeffreyBeaumont: "WANT TO FEEL SAFE TONIGHT" JeffreyBeaumont: "DON'T WANT TO SLEEP WITH THE VULTURE LADY!" jaychampionvinyl: hahaha YES YES JeffreyBeaumont: 2:49 JeffreyBeaumont: !!!!!!!!! jaychampionvinyl: this was a guitar freakout I could get down with JeffreyBeaumont: man, this record has some fucking GREAT breakdowns/bridges/codas/outros jaychampionvinyl: places to get lost jaychampionvinyl: so many good ones JeffreyBeaumont: none of which feature eddie vedder moaning, "COME TO ME / COME TO GOD" jaychampionvinyl: hahaha jaychampionvinyl: gives me that BTS feeling, circa Perfect From Now On, so much glorious friendly noise to lie down in JeffreyBeaumont: with really beautiful tight spindly but jammy guitar lines and riffs JeffreyBeaumont: another Kim song JeffreyBeaumont: which now sounds reasonable JeffreyBeaumont: but even this track was just weird for me jaychampionvinyl: did I miss Kim? I stood up to watch a video of babies being dropped from balconies onto blankets in India JeffreyBeaumont: yeah, but then Purr! JeffreyBeaumont: it's like they play good cop bad cop on this record jaychampionvinyl: I was just gonna say the same JeffreyBeaumont: thurston gets the fun major scale sunsmiles jaychampionvinyl: yes! JeffreyBeaumont: and kim gets the dour "scare their children" creepscapes jaychampionvinyl: it's like Kim's the camp counselor who tells the creepy ghost story and Thurston's the guy counselor who jokes with you afterward and convinces you it wasn't real jaychampionvinyl: while Kim just stares at you stonfaced, nodding, mouthing "It IS real. YOu're going to die." JeffreyBeaumont: and then wakes up at night by rapping on your window and peering through it at you with a candle next to her face jaychampionvinyl: haaa you get it exactly JeffreyBeaumont: and then, finally, the fuckstick of "Creme Brulee" JeffreyBeaumont: a track which is about as unlike the dessert as any music i could imagine jaychampionvinyl: this is when she sneaks into your cabin at 3am and fucks you in the ass with a stick while whispering this into your ear jaychampionvinyl: and on THAT NOTE jaychampionvinyl: little known fact: creme brulee is slang for a horribly invasive sex act JeffreyBeaumont: really? jaychampionvinyl: no JeffreyBeaumont: "i'm so happy we're just friends" jaychampionvinyl: right, as she withdraws stick and leaves jaychampionvinyl: that's her parting line jaychampionvinyl: door slams jaychampionvinyl: "Don't tell Bobby about our fun" JeffreyBeaumont: if kim deal spied me through my bedroom window late one night JeffreyBeaumont: she could do whatever she wanted to me if she broke in to my apartment and came in my room jaychampionvinyl: or even Kim Gordon JeffreyBeaumont: hahaha, ideally, both of them, at once JeffreyBeaumont: today, in 2009 jaychampionvinyl: right jaychampionvinyl: hahahahahaha jaychampionvinyl: good lord jaychampionvinyl: a spectral art hag and a weird, dumpy trucker lesbian JeffreyBeaumont: when i first heard the song "Little Trouble Girl" (from Washing Machine) in college i actually creamed my pants JeffreyBeaumont: like, "Oh hey Shrimp Cracker, i need to go home. My pants are creamed" jaychampionvinyl: hahahahahaha JeffreyBeaumont: why couldn't have kim deal just made an entire record with sonic youth? on the topic of things that should have happened but never even sort of did jaychampionvinyl: Umm. yeah, I gotta go. LISTEN: Sonic Youth - "100%" from Dirty Sonic Youth - "Sugar Kane" from Dirty Sonic Youth - "Swimsuit Issue" from Dirty NOTES: $$$$ -- Actually, according to this fan-made page of SY album tunings, even "Youth Against Facism" uses special tunings; in fact, out of their entire discography after the first EP, only the track "Mildred Pierce" uses a standard EADGBE guitar tuning (excepting the Stooges and Crime covers "I Wanna Be Your Dog" and "Hot Wire My Heart"). Seriously, wow. Amazing, yes. But Willful Obscurantists, I'd call them, also. Labels: crushes, IMs, memories, mp3, music, old flames, re-appraisals posted by Nihilist Loves Hate, Hates Everything at 8/03/2009 04:05:00 PM 0 comments |
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